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		<title>Comment on Web-based, SaaS, and Cloud ERP benefits by djohnson</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/07/web-based-saas-and-cloud-erp-benefits/comment-page-1/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator>djohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris ... thanks for the comments. I like the point you make about Salesforce being a SaaS application, but it is much more than that. Salesforce is also a cloud application and it&#039;s also a web-based application. So, it can provide the benefits of SaaS as well as the benefits of web and cloud. Thus, I would contend that the chart is still accurate. 

Regarding your comments around multi-tenant, I would argue that SaaS could be a multi-tenant or single-tenant application. For a comparison, please see our article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/multi-tenant-versus-single-tenant-erp-a-comparison/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;multi-tenant versus single tenant ERP&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8230; thanks for the comments. I like the point you make about Salesforce being a SaaS application, but it is much more than that. Salesforce is also a cloud application and it&#8217;s also a web-based application. So, it can provide the benefits of SaaS as well as the benefits of web and cloud. Thus, I would contend that the chart is still accurate. </p>
<p>Regarding your comments around multi-tenant, I would argue that SaaS could be a multi-tenant or single-tenant application. For a comparison, please see our article on <a href="http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/multi-tenant-versus-single-tenant-erp-a-comparison/" rel="nofollow">multi-tenant versus single tenant ERP</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web-based, SaaS, and Cloud ERP benefits by Chris Shaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Shaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a SAAS consultant I have a some issues to the way you describe SAAS.  To me, SAAS is multi-tenant architecture, where everyone is running on the same code instance, but virtually seperated, whereas web applications typically are installed in separate instances and can have various levels of code releases.  This can often result in higher maintenance costs.  Further, SAAS can be accessed from anywhere or from any device.  Take Salesforce.com, the best known SAAS provider.  You can access it from anywhere in the world and from any device.  With the API&#039;s you can link the system from a multitude of other applications.  Further, you can scale up or down and can pay as you go.  Salesforce is based on user counts and module bundles, so you do have flexibility of pricing.  Thus I don&#039;t think your chart is an accurate representation of of what the market is offering.  Granted, SAAS is not widely available in ERP yet, so we will need to see where this goes.  Thanks for the Article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a SAAS consultant I have a some issues to the way you describe SAAS.  To me, SAAS is multi-tenant architecture, where everyone is running on the same code instance, but virtually seperated, whereas web applications typically are installed in separate instances and can have various levels of code releases.  This can often result in higher maintenance costs.  Further, SAAS can be accessed from anywhere or from any device.  Take Salesforce.com, the best known SAAS provider.  You can access it from anywhere in the world and from any device.  With the API&#8217;s you can link the system from a multitude of other applications.  Further, you can scale up or down and can pay as you go.  Salesforce is based on user counts and module bundles, so you do have flexibility of pricing.  Thus I don&#8217;t think your chart is an accurate representation of of what the market is offering.  Granted, SAAS is not widely available in ERP yet, so we will need to see where this goes.  Thanks for the Article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Web-based, SaaS, and Cloud ERP benefits by Ken Del Gobbo</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/07/web-based-saas-and-cloud-erp-benefits/comment-page-1/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Del Gobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying these issues. I work for Acumatica (www.acumatica.com) and we provide a solution that allows customers to choose between SaaS and an on-premise perpetual license. People get confused regarding the benefits of cloud and SaaS, so I appreciate the article. Many clients that ask for &quot;SaaS&quot; are really just looking for a web-based solution so they don&#039;t have to install client software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying these issues. I work for Acumatica (www.acumatica.com) and we provide a solution that allows customers to choose between SaaS and an on-premise perpetual license. People get confused regarding the benefits of cloud and SaaS, so I appreciate the article. Many clients that ask for &#8220;SaaS&#8221; are really just looking for a web-based solution so they don&#8217;t have to install client software.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Types of Cloud ERP by Andrew Hayward</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/05/different-types-of-cloud-erp/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that a major reason for organisations looking to the cloud for ERP deployment is cost savings, there still remains the barrier of expensive implementation service delivery. As we all know, the licence costs of any ERP implementation is only an element and an ever decreasing one in some vendors strategy! A SaaS model of pricing for both software AND implementation services (including on-going support) thus removing any initial expenditure would be true SaaS. It changes the way service delivery companies will operate but it has to be the way to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that a major reason for organisations looking to the cloud for ERP deployment is cost savings, there still remains the barrier of expensive implementation service delivery. As we all know, the licence costs of any ERP implementation is only an element and an ever decreasing one in some vendors strategy! A SaaS model of pricing for both software AND implementation services (including on-going support) thus removing any initial expenditure would be true SaaS. It changes the way service delivery companies will operate but it has to be the way to go!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Definition of ERP by Cortez Vandergriend</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/07/definition-of-erp/comment-page-1/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Cortez Vandergriend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this information. I&#039;m always looking for valuable resources to share with clients and my coworkers, and this post is certainly worth sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this information. I&#8217;m always looking for valuable resources to share with clients and my coworkers, and this post is certainly worth sharing!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Types of Cloud ERP by Thiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is good..

In the recommendation part, you mentioned about &quot;Key questions&quot; 
3. Do you need to own your operating environment and the location of your data?
4. Do you prefer to own software instead of renting it?

If we move to cloud platform, how could we own the operating environment and the location of our data? cuz the data will be stored somewhere in the data centre. We completely lose control over our data. There is no more operating environment. We just have to work with the browser to access the application.
Cloud idea is basically for &quot;Renting&quot; and not &quot;owning&quot; something..

So if we answer &quot;Yes&quot; or &quot;Maybe&quot; to these questions, then we should prefer only On Premise Solution. 

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong.

For small business solutions cloud may provide some good space but for ERP I feel it&#039;s too early to migrate to cloud. Since cloud computing doesn’t have any data governance and it has got to mature in terms of standardization.

Regards,
Thiva..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is good..</p>
<p>In the recommendation part, you mentioned about &#8220;Key questions&#8221;<br />
3. Do you need to own your operating environment and the location of your data?<br />
4. Do you prefer to own software instead of renting it?</p>
<p>If we move to cloud platform, how could we own the operating environment and the location of our data? cuz the data will be stored somewhere in the data centre. We completely lose control over our data. There is no more operating environment. We just have to work with the browser to access the application.<br />
Cloud idea is basically for &#8220;Renting&#8221; and not &#8220;owning&#8221; something..</p>
<p>So if we answer &#8220;Yes&#8221; or &#8220;Maybe&#8221; to these questions, then we should prefer only On Premise Solution. </p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>For small business solutions cloud may provide some good space but for ERP I feel it&#8217;s too early to migrate to cloud. Since cloud computing doesn’t have any data governance and it has got to mature in terms of standardization.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Thiva..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Consona, Compiere, and VARs by Jorg Janke</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/consona-compiere-and-vars/comment-page-1/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorg Janke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in the details and background:
http://www.compieresource.com/2010/06/compiere-from-beginning-to-consona.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in the details and background:<br />
<a href="http://www.compieresource.com/2010/06/compiere-from-beginning-to-consona.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.compieresource.com/2010/06/compiere-from-beginning-to-consona.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on More Proof of the ERP Channel by ERP Cloud News</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/04/more-proof-of-the-erp-channel/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>ERP Cloud News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href=&quot;http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/consona-compiere-and-vars/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ERP Cloud News&lt;/a&gt; article on Consona, Compiere, and VARs - June 17, 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/consona-compiere-and-vars/" rel="nofollow">ERP Cloud News</a> article on Consona, Compiere, and VARs &#8211; June 17, 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Multi-tenant versus Single-tenant ERP &#8211; a comparison by Ken Del Gobbo</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/06/multi-tenant-versus-single-tenant-erp-a-comparison/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Del Gobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. This is exactly what I&#039;ve been hearing from our value added resellers (VARs) that work with our customers on a daily basis. Some customers want SaaS and multi-tenant, others want on-premise and multi-tenant, and others want SaaS and single-tenant. 

Having a solution which supports all of these options has been critical for my company (www.Acumatica.com). In our sales efforts, price is not usually the driving factor, instead it&#039;s the customer&#039;s level of IT expertise and process complexity which determines whether they go SaaS or on-premise and single tenant versus multi-tenant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. This is exactly what I&#8217;ve been hearing from our value added resellers (VARs) that work with our customers on a daily basis. Some customers want SaaS and multi-tenant, others want on-premise and multi-tenant, and others want SaaS and single-tenant. </p>
<p>Having a solution which supports all of these options has been critical for my company (www.Acumatica.com). In our sales efforts, price is not usually the driving factor, instead it&#8217;s the customer&#8217;s level of IT expertise and process complexity which determines whether they go SaaS or on-premise and single tenant versus multi-tenant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Different Types of Cloud ERP by David Chou</title>
		<link>http://erpcloudnews.com/2010/05/different-types-of-cloud-erp/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>David Chou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Just want to take the opportunity and point out that there’s more to cloud computing than the popular notion of hosting in the cloud. With cloud platforms, the aspect of “without worrying about the operating environment” can significantly simplify the implementation of horizontally scalable applications (Facebook, Twitter, or Mafia Wars and Farmville), which is a different class of applications architected differently than today’s vertically scaling business applications (or like ERP applications). When leveraged effectively, these applications can operate in an environment that assumes a near-infinite amount of infrastructure, and can result in new business models and initiatives than trying to lift-and-shift traditional applications into a utility computing model.

We think cloud computing, when leveraged correctly, can improve IT agility (in being able to deliver services quicker and cheaper) which in turn can yield many business benefits, and is probably what CIO’s should focus on, rather than simply cost reduction.

Of course, this is also more related to the multi-tenant SaaS context as discussed earlier, as that type of applications will typically be architected using similar principles. :)

Best regards, -David Chou (Microsoft)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Just want to take the opportunity and point out that there’s more to cloud computing than the popular notion of hosting in the cloud. With cloud platforms, the aspect of “without worrying about the operating environment” can significantly simplify the implementation of horizontally scalable applications (Facebook, Twitter, or Mafia Wars and Farmville), which is a different class of applications architected differently than today’s vertically scaling business applications (or like ERP applications). When leveraged effectively, these applications can operate in an environment that assumes a near-infinite amount of infrastructure, and can result in new business models and initiatives than trying to lift-and-shift traditional applications into a utility computing model.</p>
<p>We think cloud computing, when leveraged correctly, can improve IT agility (in being able to deliver services quicker and cheaper) which in turn can yield many business benefits, and is probably what CIO’s should focus on, rather than simply cost reduction.</p>
<p>Of course, this is also more related to the multi-tenant SaaS context as discussed earlier, as that type of applications will typically be architected using similar principles. <img src='http://erpcloudnews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Best regards, -David Chou (Microsoft)</p>
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